If this is a Venn Diagram shouldn't there be two lows and two highs for the submission rates (As opposed to three highs and one low)? Maybe I am wrong. Just a thought.
I do like the colors especially the green/blue. Not so much the green/pink... although it is not too bad.
I know several writers who have sent hundreds of queries and/or manuscripts to every publishing company known to mankind. Okay, I’m exaggerating a little. I always felt like I was dropping the ball by not doing this, but then I read somewhere on a blog that if you query every publishing house with a manuscript and then decide to seek representation later, the agent will likely decline your project because there would be no one left to submit it to. I have to add that two of the writers I referred to did indeed get published while another went to acquisitions twice with her novel. Hhmmm . . .
What I want to know is how these types of writers manage to personalize each query and cover letter? They can’t possibly be researching the editors and the books they publish at this rate, and I’m guessing this is why they probably ultimately end up in slush piles.
Very nice chart, and beautiful colors...a couple of questions: Are the no clue/high talent as likely to get published as the very aware/high talent? Is the no clue author harder for the editor to work with, and does that influence the editor's decision to publish his/her good story?
I live in that little, tiny piece of white between all the circles. There should be an arrow pointing there that says: Eric Luper and that one chimpanzee who typed the Complete Works of Shakespeare.
Funny. :) Although there might be a new contract clause floating around somewhere that could significantly lower the number of celebratory bottles I have planned... ;)
Shouldn't there be a low self-esteem area, perhaps somewhere near the high talent/no grasp of reality area, where all the writers who are good but are convinced they suck and thus never submit go?
You know, after a year of being in the "no grasp on reality" bubble, (They'll pluck my PB from the slush! Of course they will! Even though the only things I've ever sold are MG poems and short stories!) I decided to buckle down, write MG novels, and try to find an AGENT instead of an editor.
So I've switched to the reality bubble. Now as for talent? Umm... am I comparing myself to the crazies in the slush or to my favorite authors? It makes a difference, doesn't it?
This reminds me of the floor covering in my granny's bathroom. Have you ever considered a career as an interior decorator? Or not? Seriously, these used to be called Venn Diagrams when I was at school. But shouldn't you have included "hopelessly optimistic"?
We should create a new diagram with an overlap that demonstrates: no talent + no grasp of reality + high degree of fame = high publishing rates/inevitable publishing. I'm swiftly learning that in the world of print fame precedes talent.
I've also been thinking that there should be a third bubble that shows time learning the craft. I suspect talented but new writers probably submit more often with lower quality stuff, when they're starting out, but less often with higher quality stuff at the end. (or is that where the agent bubble kicks in, with a whole new diagram?)
Hmmm... maybe I should just enjoy the colored bubbles and stop thinking about this so hard. ;)
I mean, there are always going to be books that knock your socks off, right, that make you think 'I WISH I could have written that."
And a lot of my favorite writers STARTED as pretty good/above average and sort of evolved into "So amazingly talented I could never do that!" with a lot of time and hard work.
So how can a not yet or barely published writer gauge whether or not she has enough talent?
I feel a degree of your pain, EA. I read a much more manageable pile of slush for a small children's publisher. Have you had a recent spate of people who take happy snaps of their pets and write a story to go with them? They're definitely in the low talent, low grasp of reality quadrant of your pretty diagram.
As a college English teacher of students who frequently have higher expectations about their grades than their work deserves, I am seeing new ways of applying this diagram. Would you mind if I used it at the beginning of the term (with a few changes) to explain why everyone doesn't get an A--not quite the same as "why everyone doesn't get published"--but close. And maybe it will prevent a few of them from contributing to the fire trap in your "kitchen" in a few years!
Banned complain !! Complaining only causes life and mind become more severe. Enjoy the rhythm of the problems faced. No matter ga life, not a problem not learn, so enjoy it :)
methinks your diagram is mistaken. shouldn't the low (or practically nil) submission rate be where high grasp of reality and high talent meet?
ReplyDelete(And then, shouldn't the size of the intersection be different, though that would not be as pretty?)
This chart speaks volumes about submissions.
ReplyDeleteliteraticat:
ReplyDeleteSigh! Always with the smart comments. Can't you just enjoy the pretty colors?
I'm wondering who's got the better shot, the ones with the high talent/high grasp of reality, or the high talent/ no grasp of reality?
ReplyDeleteOh great, you like pretty colours too! Can I send you my manuscript? I wrote it in green crayon. (They don't let us have real pens here.)
ReplyDeleteMaybe T-shirts would be a good idea with all the pretty colours? No talent No Grasp of Reality - (go to the round filing cabinet, but cute t-shirt)
ReplyDeleteThis chart speaks to me.
ReplyDeleteIf this is a Venn Diagram shouldn't there be two lows and two highs for the submission rates (As opposed to three highs and one low)? Maybe I am wrong. Just a thought.
ReplyDeleteI do like the colors especially the green/blue. Not so much the green/pink... although it is not too bad.
Ahhh, pretty bubbles.
ReplyDeleteCan't you tell us your real identity so I can send you everything I've ever written? You'll adore my 10-volume poetry collection, "I Love my Dog".
I know several writers who have sent hundreds of queries and/or manuscripts to every publishing company known to mankind. Okay, I’m exaggerating a little. I always felt like I was dropping the ball by not doing this, but then I read somewhere on a blog that if you query every publishing house with a manuscript and then decide to seek representation later, the agent will likely decline your project because there would be no one left to submit it to. I have to add that two of the writers I referred to did indeed get published while another went to acquisitions twice with her novel. Hhmmm . . .
ReplyDeleteWhat I want to know is how these types of writers manage to personalize each query and cover letter? They can’t possibly be researching the editors and the books they publish at this rate, and I’m guessing this is why they probably ultimately end up in slush piles.
Very pretty. And interesting. Makes sense to me.
ReplyDeleteThis looks like a math problem.
ReplyDeleteHow do I know which writer I am?
Hmmmm I think I may be stuck in that small white area right in the middle........
ReplyDeleteIs this one of those cases where I should think outside the bubbles? Wait, that might be my weak grasp on reality again... ;)
ReplyDeleteVery nice chart, and beautiful colors...a couple of questions:
ReplyDeleteAre the no clue/high talent as likely to get published as the very aware/high talent? Is the no clue author harder for the editor to work with, and does that influence the editor's decision to publish his/her good story?
I used to think I was in the "high talent," "high grasp of reality" part.
ReplyDeleteSeveral books written and zero books sold, I'm now leaning toward the the "no talent," "no grasp of reality" part.
Damn.
So which color combinations will go on to self publish?
ReplyDeleteMissing variable: laziness. Or high commitment to procrastination.
ReplyDelete:P
I live in that little, tiny piece of white between all the circles. There should be an arrow pointing there that says: Eric Luper and that one chimpanzee who typed the Complete Works of Shakespeare.
ReplyDeleteThinking outside of the bubble. Good one Adrian!
ReplyDelete(The box is getting kind of old and beat up.)
And after you get your first contract, you can celebrate and pop the cork and think outside of the bottle.
Funny. :) Although there might be a new contract clause floating around somewhere that could significantly lower the number of celebratory bottles I have planned... ;)
ReplyDeleteShouldn't there be a low self-esteem area, perhaps somewhere near the high talent/no grasp of reality area, where all the writers who are good but are convinced they suck and thus never submit go?
ReplyDeleteI know quite a few of these...
I belong to the NO TALENT group
ReplyDelete*sigh*
You know, after a year of being in the "no grasp on reality" bubble, (They'll pluck my PB from the slush! Of course they will! Even though the only things I've ever sold are MG poems and short stories!)
ReplyDeleteI decided to buckle down, write MG novels, and try to find an AGENT instead of an editor.
So I've switched to the reality bubble. Now as for talent? Umm... am I comparing myself to the crazies in the slush or to my favorite authors? It makes a difference, doesn't it?
This reminds me of the floor covering in my granny's bathroom. Have you ever considered a career as an interior decorator? Or not?
ReplyDeleteSeriously, these used to be called Venn Diagrams when I was at school. But shouldn't you have included "hopelessly optimistic"?
But that's the point, AE -- they all expect to be published, except for those who know they have no talent. That's why the slush pile is so deep.
ReplyDeleteWe should create a new diagram with an overlap that demonstrates: no talent + no grasp of reality + high degree of fame = high publishing rates/inevitable publishing. I'm swiftly learning that in the world of print fame precedes talent.
ReplyDeleteBut yes, I enjoy the pastels.
Ah. Clearly, I have no grasp on Venn Diagrams. :[
ReplyDeleteI've also been thinking that there should be a third bubble that shows time learning the craft. I suspect talented but new writers probably submit more often with lower quality stuff, when they're starting out, but less often with higher quality stuff at the end. (or is that where the agent bubble kicks in, with a whole new diagram?)
ReplyDeleteHmmm... maybe I should just enjoy the colored bubbles and stop thinking about this so hard. ;)
So, EA, now this leads to the question:
ReplyDeleteHow do you KNOW if you have talent?
I mean, there are always going to be books that knock your socks off, right, that make you think 'I WISH I could have written that."
And a lot of my favorite writers STARTED as pretty good/above average and sort of evolved into "So amazingly talented I could never do that!" with a lot of time and hard work.
So how can a not yet or barely published writer gauge whether or not she has enough talent?
I'm with literaticat. Don't quit your day job.
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I feel a degree of your pain, EA. I read a much more manageable pile of slush for a small children's publisher. Have you had a recent spate of people who take happy snaps of their pets and write a story to go with them? They're definitely in the low talent, low grasp of reality quadrant of your pretty diagram.
ReplyDeleteAs a college English teacher of students who frequently have higher expectations about their grades than their work deserves, I am seeing new ways of applying this diagram. Would you mind if I used it at the beginning of the term (with a few changes) to explain why everyone doesn't get an A--not quite the same as "why everyone doesn't get published"--but close. And maybe it will prevent a few of them from contributing to the fire trap in your "kitchen" in a few years!
ReplyDeletePlease feel free.
ReplyDeleteBanned complain !! Complaining only causes life and mind become more severe. Enjoy the rhythm of the problems faced. No matter ga life, not a problem not learn, so enjoy it :)
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