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That means stuff it inside and give up?<br />My Print On Demand publisher has been manipulating me for 5 months with threats of charging when I find errors in their work, to bully comments that it will take much, much longer to release the book if I don't approve of the book as is!<br />There must be a way to resolve these issues, but how if I don't complain to someone, somewhere to work on a resolution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-9641701248032361472010-01-29T04:39:03.006-05:002010-01-29T04:39:03.006-05:00One of the problems we have with racism today is t...<i> One of the problems we have with racism today is that a fair number of people think that racism can only be deliberate. As in, it doesn't matter if something you say or do is racist. If you didn't mean it to be racist, then it's not. For the record, and I hope we're all really listening: THAT IS INCORRECT.</i><br /><br />This is an exceptionally hard lesson to learn. And an important one.GhostFolk.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10942600698461250382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-59213866900670831872010-01-28T09:24:47.711-05:002010-01-28T09:24:47.711-05:00Thank you for writing this. It will give me someth...Thank you for writing this. It will give me something to link to next time a commenter complains that the author should speak up about his/her own cover.<br />I've had a hard time understanding that sentiment in these unfortunate cover whitewashing cases (and I'm pessimistic enough to be sure there will be more to come). But I appreciate the conversation on both sides, here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-5405398484939540962010-01-28T07:59:02.653-05:002010-01-28T07:59:02.653-05:00Excellent post, and - may i say - an impressively ...Excellent post, and - may i say - an impressively balanced and reasoned set of comments.Katherine Langrishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529700103932422873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-35663049677053097842010-01-28T07:30:42.236-05:002010-01-28T07:30:42.236-05:00Well, hopefully a lesson has been learned and the ...Well, hopefully a lesson has been learned and the reader's best interest, especially the younger one, will remain at the center of the preoccupation and business decisions, cover related or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-62268184808830629562010-01-26T22:21:30.136-05:002010-01-26T22:21:30.136-05:00We were objecting on the readers' behalf. And ...We were objecting on the readers' behalf. And especially on the minority readers' behalf, because some of us understand how excruciating and demoralizing it is to children to be made to feel that they are the wrong color.<br /><br />Why was this lost on some bloggers? It quick and passionately readers defended the author but did not seem to remember Ari's point about what it means to be POC and not see your face.<br /><br />I know others have quoted the same lines but this didn't seem to be obvious at the time and I don't want readers to forget it.<br /><br />Thank your for the article and for linking to RAWW.susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14924982664582970754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-35106750052740194152010-01-26T20:07:14.466-05:002010-01-26T20:07:14.466-05:00"...I also happen to know enough about what w..."...I also happen to know enough about what went on behind the scenes to know that Bloomsbury did NOT do this as a publicity stunt..."<br /><br />Not to beat a dead horse, as the situation is being rectified, but I think for those of us who were speculating (myself included, of course) had known you had inside information to begin with, then we wouldn't have had so many previous comments in which we all took turns playing devil's advocate (i.e., maybe the author hates/loves the cover, maybe the agent/editor did/didn't speak up, maybe the pub is racist/are idiots/doesn't give a shit... maybe this/that/and the other). <br /><br />If you're coming from a place of inside knowledge, well, then that is framing your assertions, which are naturally going to be accurate or at least more accurate than the rest of ours. <br /><br />And, yes, I stand corrected. In a previous post I was one of the comments that felt bad for the author and stated if she loved the cover shouldn't we leave well enough alone. I said that as someone who didn't want a controversy to cloud what should've been her happy book release. I do realize that readers can protest a cover without bullying the author -- but at the time it seemed like the author was being pushed into a corner (and expected to publicly skewer her publisher) possibly to the detrement of her career.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-22117642764182345522010-01-26T11:20:28.623-05:002010-01-26T11:20:28.623-05:00I don't believe business trumps morality. I b...I don't believe business trumps morality. I believe the difference between good people and bad people is that bad people think that ends justify means, and good people know that's just not true.<br /><br />But I do defend the author's right not to speak out on this issue. Those authors who, in Jaclyn's position, would want to speak out about it would be welcome to, from a moral standpoint, and they could let the chips fall where they may.<br /><br />It's also possible that in Jaclyn's position, and knowing what DID happen behind the scenes, an author might choose not to speak publicly about it, and not for reasons of prejudice OR cowardice. I hope you can understand that.<br /><br /><br /><br />I also happen to know enough about what went on behind the scenes to know that Bloomsbury did NOT do this as a publicity stunt.Editorial Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06294247222893767117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-87079897590757262432010-01-26T07:56:46.079-05:002010-01-26T07:56:46.079-05:00Great post and great answers. What bothers me abou...Great post and great answers. What bothers me about your original post, EA, is the suggestion that business trumps morality. I understand what you're saying has practical merit, especially for the author. Still I can't help thinking that mode of thought is what led Bloomsbury to try to use a racist cover to begin with.mallardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027376257447878531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-54250579403408585732010-01-26T06:32:43.018-05:002010-01-26T06:32:43.018-05:00No one seems to be wondering if Bloomsbury did thi...No one seems to be wondering if Bloomsbury did this intentionally. I'm wondering if the sales for 'Liar' were so good they decided it was worth creating some accidental *controversy* a second time round?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-72046366572149889542010-01-26T02:02:24.134-05:002010-01-26T02:02:24.134-05:00Why I love my editor:
If I post something on my b...Why I love my editor:<br /><br />If I post something on my blog that is perhaps less than helpful/politically correct/not a good move, she will txt me with: okay, now you've had your say, get it off the blog. We don't write things like that.<br /><br />I say again: I love my editor.TK Roxboroghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16396099477818776758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-66544194724218807012010-01-25T13:46:04.440-05:002010-01-25T13:46:04.440-05:00Excellent commentary on a clearly VERY hot topic. ...Excellent commentary on a clearly VERY hot topic. Thank you.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09611043209149128358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-17805035412935425292010-01-25T13:28:05.784-05:002010-01-25T13:28:05.784-05:00Amen!Amen!Núria Coehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18408022935558944892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-89670019595955526702010-01-25T12:17:31.402-05:002010-01-25T12:17:31.402-05:00To step beyond the racism issue and discuss truth ...To step beyond the racism issue and discuss truth in cover art... fantasy/SF and romance have suffered for years from covers that often bear little or no relation to their storylines and/or characters; the covers were there just to attract someone enough to make them pick the book up and read the cover blurb. Pure advertising, in other words. Is children's publishing different? Should it be?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-55904877176701803402010-01-25T11:48:28.486-05:002010-01-25T11:48:28.486-05:00Storylady--
I know my publisher would have listen...Storylady--<br /><br />I know my publisher would have listened to such a concern, because they did, when I said I was worried about how a black character looked on the cover.<br /><br />Bloomsbury seems to be a special case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-75563161145129492592010-01-25T11:22:43.532-05:002010-01-25T11:22:43.532-05:00Thermocline: I think EA was disagreeing with that ...Thermocline: I think EA was <em>disagreeing</em> with that view of racism. My favorite thing about her post was the point that ignorantly non-racist intentions do not constitute a Get Out of Accusations of Racism Free Card when racism has occurred.Elizabethhttp://underagereading.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-73657070668178507612010-01-25T11:15:25.923-05:002010-01-25T11:15:25.923-05:00I did not see the cover so cannor comment on that,...I did not see the cover so cannor comment on that, but I did have an awful cover for my first novel, years ago now. Badly drawn, totally out of phase with the story and my characters etc. I bitterly complained to the publisher who told me it had to stay because "the bookclubs like a woman on the cover" (!?) As the book was supposed to be only for said bookclubs I let the matter go, muttering "Well I hope I just never see the darn thing." <br /><br />To my horror they then decided to use it for the general paperback edition as well. Thank goodness, about a year later someone saw sense and agreed with me that the wretched thing was dreadful & produced a much better cover. Annoyingly, "the purple puke" as I called it is still around on e-bay, 2nd hand etc. <br />Thankfully, my present publishers have produced fantastic covers for me!<br /><br />I think publishers listen a lot more to their authors now - or is it that I have gained confidence in myself and I am able to put my foot down? (In _private_!)<br /><br />Re complaining in public about a publisher: Funny how the authors who moan and whinge often seem to be the ones whose books are not selling, the authors who do nothing to market their books for themselves, who have never heard of the word loyalty.... and seem to want everythng served on a plate.Helen Hollickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04292983846350273039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-83251194114105268592010-01-25T09:12:23.792-05:002010-01-25T09:12:23.792-05:00If you didn't mean it to be racist, then it...<i>If you didn't mean it to be racist, then it's not.</i><br /><br />Great line. That point is so often overlooked in many debates about racism.Thermoclinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01875497784895433255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-50335359426376169232010-01-25T02:19:05.401-05:002010-01-25T02:19:05.401-05:00"Now, if you mean that an author should keep ..."Now, if you mean that an author should keep quiet publicly while trying to straighten the matter out (vocally, strongly, using as much leverage as they can muster) behind the scenes--then I agree. But only then."<br /><br />While this is true, none of us will likely ever know what happened behind the scenes in this situation. Unfortunately, people will often *assume* that because there wasn't a big public blowup, that they can judge the author on the actions on public actions alone.<br /><br />We will never know what happened between author and publisher (due to the professionalism described in the post), but I think that the little hints described in other entries (the xicanti quote, the art, the lack of endorsement of the cover model) shows that this author wasn't as passive as some may believe, and truly did care about her creation.<br /><br />But again, this is all pointless assumption. I just find it interesting that the cover was changed less than 24 hours after her statement. A statement that on the surface may not have been as publicly bloody as some wanted, but in private, may have had larger ramifications...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-72678560263754492682010-01-25T01:43:27.068-05:002010-01-25T01:43:27.068-05:00EA said: And also for the record: those of us who ...EA said: <i>And also for the record: those of us who objected to the cover were not objecting on the author's behalf. We were objecting on the readers' behalf. And especially on the minority readers' behalf, because some of us understand how excruciating and demoralizing it is to children to be made to feel that they are the wrong color.</i><br /><br />I do my share of disagreeing around here, but I'm on board for this statement one hundred percent.working illustratornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7986595816238301046.post-79045858997797866732010-01-24T23:25:24.721-05:002010-01-24T23:25:24.721-05:00Hi EA, I'd say there are a lot of reasons an a...Hi EA, I'd say there are a lot of reasons an author might not want to publicly distance herself from a publisher's screwup. Some of those reasons we might classify as professionalism. But just as I think it's overly broad to argue silence=professionalism, I also think it's too broad to argue that speaking out=unprofessional. More likely, it depends on the facts at hand.<br /><br />And regardless of the facts at hand, a publishing deal isn't a nondisclosure agreement. If speaking out vs silence isn't a matter of contract but rather one of the spirit of partnership, doesn't the spirit of partnership include also an implicit expectation of real consultation and publisher competence in their presumed areas of expertise? And if the publisher violates the implicit expectation of consultation and competence, why would we expect the author to continue to be bound by an implicit expectation of silence?<br /><br />In this regard, I'm not persuaded by the tequila example. An author's public drunkenness reflects on her publisher only tangentially, if at all. Likewise, if my editor does some boorish thing in public, it's no reflection on me and there's no use in my commenting on it. A quite different dynamic -- involving different expectations and different responsibilities -- ensues when a publisher puts out a book with the author's name on the front cover.<br /><br />I'll say this: if any of my publishers would give me complete control over the packaging of my books, I would have no trouble at all with them complaining publicly about my decisions. If publishers insist on maintaining such control themselves, it doesn't seem fair for them to also require silence in the face of their mistakes.<br /><br />Actually, I don't think fairness is really the primary issue here -- nor, generally, do I think the primary issue is professionalism. I think the primary issue is self-interest, on the one hand, vs concern for one's fellow authors and the fortunes of the book business generally, on the other. It may make good business sense for any given author to remain silent and cause no offense no matter how badly his publisher screws up a book's packaging, placement, or promotion. But in the aggregate, such self-centered decisions hurt everyone. If more authors spoke out more often, publishing overall would be enjoying better health. And if we authors don't call publishers on their shortcomings, then like someone covering for a family member's drug dependency, we enable the continued shortcomings and make ourselves complicit.<br /><br />I'm no paragon of speaking out, by the way; many times, I confess, I've bitten my tongue out of self-interest when one of my publishers has done some stupid or lazy thing. But I have -- I hope respectfully and constructively -- <a href="http://mjroseblog.typepad.com/buzz_balls_hype/2009/02/guest-blogger-barry-eisler-on-its-the-marketing-stupid.html" rel="nofollow">spoken out</a> from <a href="http://www.barryeisler.com/writers_marketing4.php" rel="nofollow">time to time</a>, and if doing so has cost me anything personally, knowing that I've helped someone else in some small way, maybe even helped the industry generally, has been a nice offset. In this regard, on Tuesday I have a guest piece running in <a href="http://dearauthor.com/" rel="nofollow">Dear Author</a> detailing an ill-conceived move one of my publishers insists on continuing. The publisher might be irritated, but perhaps they'll also be shocked or embarrassed into improving their performance. Regardless, others might learn from this publisher's mistake and from my prescription for how to fix it.<br /><br />Publishers aren't very good at the business they're in -- which is why they're in so much trouble. They need our help, and sometimes that help will come in the form of a specific, public critique of their performance. For this reason, I can't support a code of silence, whether driven by what I think is a misplaced sense of professionalism or by anything else.Barry Eislerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785333622697500192noreply@blogger.com